That too, but it was observing him through it also.
I guess it must have been a larva and it was the worm that kept its halves alive. Hive biology is incredibly strange, and driven mostly by artificial evolution.
Crota must have distinguished himself for Oryx to speak directly to him; only the best of his sons and daughters would he deign to speak to. Crota was just a nameless Thrall that survived whatever test they go through, violent testing to be sure. Nokris may have been elected the same way, but of course we find no record in the Books. Oryx’s mate is also deemed not important enough to have even a name or warrant more than a line.
True enough; I never saw Golgoroth and that Ogre as one and the same, otherwise we’d have had more difficulty, and it would have been the final boss, not Oryx, has that been the case.
Golgoroth was also a lesson to Crota, who asked for a Tablet of Ruin to be given to him, and he would tithe “one side of [his] blade” to Oryx, meaning whatever he killed with the Tablet – i.e. Taking and killing through the Taken – half would go to Oryx. But Oryx had told him that Crota’s only gifts are his name and his first sword; the rest he had to earn or take for himself. Golgoroth probably has the very Tablet Crota wished to have.
With all that in mind, all we can infer is that Nokris was important enough - by birth or by distinction - to be recognized, and for some reason never came up while we were ripping apart Oryx’s court.
Thanks for the link! It looks like we can’t have “facts” to help us dig through this. I just hope Destiny 2 will help to understand a bit more the lore.
As long as we have an in-game system to read up on lore, and moreover for that lore to have some impact on the game – like maybe a puzzle to solve that you’ll only get through reading a specific set of Grimoire cards – that’ll be great. Apart from more lore to tie up loose ends like why the Exo Stranger doesn’t have time to explain why she doesn’t have time to explain.
as far as I know they actually had more than just 1 sibling they lost on Fundament.
Also the way I see it, the statues represent a Hive being after the morph with worm larvae, that’s what the “hive” are in the 1st place, they never called themselves “Hive” prior to the biological changes.
the way the BoS are written there are a lot of gaps between the sub-verses & obviously also a big one between the end of it & Oryx’ arrival. Also apparently there are at least 7 books in total.
So Nokris is either someone that has actually been mentioned within the books (the whole point of Savathûn about the books being full of lies) or it is a character that has yet to be mentioned, either in the missing books or actually in the story in-game. I strongly believe that Nokris will make an appearance in D2, because his name has been dropped in a main-story mission, which for me has a bigger emphasis on the story than the grimoire.
Nokris could be Eris. After all, she randomly appears in the Tower, claiming to survive with the hive. Talk about rubbish. Maybe she wanted Oryx’s throne to herself and got the guardians to do her dirty work. Plus, if you put her face on the soul of Crota, it matches perfectly…
It’s interesting - spinfoil hat: ON - to consider Eris ascending to Hive godhood (after all the Guardian did it, there’s not much stopping her) but if that happened, I would think it would be post-Regicide. In that case, I don’t know why a statue of her would be on the Dreadnaught. Add that to the fact that Eris would still look like Eris, and Nokris’s statue is almost indistinguishable from Crota’s.
The Traveler existed Pre-Oryx, Oryx does mention a mother as well. Nokris is more likely Oryx’s son or daughter. Truthfully I skimmed this so if any of my comments are null I am sorry.
There is actually another…object like the Traveler, called Leviathan. However, the Leviathan got killed by the original hive, which caused the Traveler to flee, and sent it to Eliksni, and eventually caused the Whirlwind, which is how it came to us. I guess we have Leviathan to thank for everything. Both good and bad.
Eris doesn’t necessarily have to be related to Oryx. According to Ishtar-Collective, Eris had a mutation that occurred that helped her survive with the hive. Going in the Hellmouth doesn’t mutate you, so she could have made some type of followers before or after her mutation.
Eris went into the hellmouth and survived and this is stated (I think) either in the grimiore or by Eris herself that she stole acolyte eyes after they stole her’s or something along those lines
Can I get your tought on it???
