This is the species from left to right.
OK I know it’s not. It might be the image from my above reply. Who knows?
Two things. One, her Harbingers had no effect whatsoever on Oryx’s Dreadnaught. The other smaller ships, however, were decimated. And two, doesn’t she embrace her death? She didn’t even try to escape unlike Prince Uldren.
Also, doesn’t she summon the Harbingers using those other people as well? If she did survive (doubtful), I don’t think she could have extended that immortality to those other people as well.
The Harbingers had no perceptible effect on the Dreadnaught. We’ll find out if they did.
Depending on how you interpret The Reef: 4, Uldren might still feel Mara’s presence.
Queen Mara Sov could be there, forget all my other reasons (JK still reason with them). Grimoire Card The Coven
Oryx could kill her, if she holds on too long.” Sedia offered through the silence, fearing what was to come."
Sedia is one of the Techeun’s who helps her summon the Harbingers. Also from the same card:
"What if they are not wise enough for the Dreadnaught?”
Llyn turned back to the source.
“Sedia, do you not have faith in our queen.”
So here we can presume that Mara Sov is indeed alive. How she is faring, though, can only be guessed. With the power of the Harbingers, she obliterated the Wolves and their Kell on Ceres, and also managed to wrestle control of them. Maybe she could do the same with the Taken.
The Awoken are politically obligated to declare the death of their monarch if she isn’t found to be alive. That doesn’t mean they are the final authority on Mara’s status; they just have no reason to believe otherwise yet.
I think you are right. A few days ago I did an adventure (sorry, no transcript) which seems to back up your theory. Here’s the gist of the adventure:
I was on IO, there is a gathering of Taken trying to build a portal to a Hive Ascendant realm. The mechanics of the adventure are to kill a bunch of Taken, grab an orb (or tomb husk or whatever) then slam it into a Blight in order to prevent the portal’s completion. I had to repeat this a few times until the boss arrived. The boss was a witch named The Eye of Savathun. To me this basically confirms that Savathun is involved with the Taken somehow (still unclear but probably as their new leader) and using them to try to enter our system.
I am not sure about that. As Eris stated in gameplay (not sure where) : The Taken can only be controlled by those who know the ways of the Deep." Last time I checked, Savathun doesn’t know how to do this. Unless, there is something major I missed…
Well, we haven’t exactly been watching Savathun closely since she and Oryx parted ways…
I’m more curious about what happened to Quira, blade transformed.
Did they cut a deal?
Did Savathun use Quiras simulation of Oryx to control the Taken!!! <---- spinfoil hat, activate!!!
My personal theory is that Quria itself is controlling the Taken. We know from the Books of Sorrow that Quria still has some free will even though it’s been taken. The last we saw of it was that it was given as a gift to Savathun, now we know it has servants. (you fight one in an adventure on Io)
So it’s big enough to have servants like Crota and Oryx. Maybe it’s bigger than we expect.
But… all of that happened before the battle…
I think this might’ve happened during the battle, right before Mara summons the Harbingers.
Could the fifth species be the “Arkborn” referenced in the Leviathan raid gear? Ethereal in nature, don’t recall hearing about them before.
Athough their “ships” are described as interstellar conduits that dwarf leviathans, so I am not sure that scale fits either concept art piece.
No, the fifth species is definitely something significant to the overall scheme of things in Destiny. For all intents and purposes the Arkborn would be considered Cabal because the Cabal are a cosmopolitan empire of species while the Arkborn are extremely minor and referenced only in the Cabal booklet and Raid gear, whereas the fifth race has been around since TTK as concept art – the Taken were once considered by a lot of fans to be the fifth race upon release but they were revealed to be belonging to the Hive.
The fifth race will be as significant as the Fallen, Cabal, Vex, and Hive were, and their own uniqueness will make them stand out. The Arkborn seem to be isolationist in nature and one only agreed to be a part of Calus’ Shadows if he would go away and let her people be.
I mean, I’ve seen multiple people guess that it’s a pure form of the darkness, but it also seems very vex in nature which makes sense considering the next DLC.
I’m pretty sure Arkborn were some race that Calus tests with his trials (raid).
But Vex don’t really need a fleet do they? In a mission on Venus your ghost tells you that the Vex can ‘teleport’ (forgotten the word he used) across entire star systems. Why would they need the ships? I think it probably is a fifth race.
Yeah, they’re definitely dropping hints that they’ve taken over for Oryx, especially since some Taken majors have titles like “hand of Savathun” sorta like what happened with some of the Hive before Dark Below came out (E.G The Blades of Crota)
Yeah, I’ve always thought the Vex seem more capable of taking over while other species have to go through so much tedious traveling. They’re also so much cooler 