Tbh this makes somewhat more sense than the base of this theory
Well my main argument has always been the fossils, which there really is no explanation for. Only other example we have close to this scenario is the Ahamkara bones scattered across Sol, and we know what happened to them.
You guys do know the reason the time doesn’t line up is because the Traveler made gravity wells. Which means anything that get’s close to it or orbited around it ages massively outside of it. It’s like a black hole, you spend 1 hour near a gravity well, everyone ages like decade or more. The longer you stay close to it, the faster everything outside of the gravity well ages.
This is how Evie from Ares One, tracked the Traveler’s movements across our system, and how she knew it’d pop up on Mars. It’s all right there in the entire Ares One lore from the armor.
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Good looks Nfactor, I didn’t realize that the Traveler itself could be responsible for the manipulation of time, we need to take into account the distance that the data was collected from. It takes a considerable amount of time for to collect that data from that distance.
If Jupiter was before earth in the solar system that could explain the time difference but 12 earth years is equal to one earth year
The gravity well is unnaturally being produced by the Traveler has it’s terraforming a moon or planet, akin to speeding up it’s progress or evolution. The gravity from Jupiter isn’t what’s in question
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That could also mean that the bones that you have used as reference of it being so long ago, could have been made in hundreds or thousands of years instead of tens of thousands from being close to the gravity wells if I’m understanding them correctly.
Well we still need to worry about the counter argument of, “why didn’t the Hive just wipe us all out if they started here on our system?” Which I don’t really have an answer for. If @Nfactor is right about the Traveler and the gravity wells created by it, then that means the evolution of the Hive and other inhabitants of the Jovian moons, happened much quicker than humans. Meaning that the data collected by Evie was actually real time data that could’ve actually taken place in our Pre-historic past, meaning that the first life forms could have spawned on Earth after the Hive wiped out everything in our system. Since Evie’s collected data, is technically from the distant past. I don’t know if that’s logical or possible in any way, but that is the only thing I can imagine. That or the Hive just fled with the Traveler without killing everything else in our system (which is unlikely).
I couldn’t find the time it takes for information to be recieved from Jupiter, but from some math I found a theoretical time, and this is assuming that it’s traveling at the same rate as it would from Mars. You can take the time that it takes to recieve information from Mars, which is 22 minutes, and multiply it by about 2.6, which is the distance to from Jupiter divided by the distance to from Earth Mars, and you get about 57 minutes. Again, thats assuming that there isn’t any extra interferance as it is coming from there. So I think we can logically assume that within two hours we would get the feed. Of course, thats not taking into consideration the new technology that could be invented between now and then, or the gravity wells distortion of time. With the tech we have now, it’s more than likely that it was a feed that was within two hours of the Traveler actually moved. If any of you know differently please let me know, this was just thrown together as I was bored in class and was interested.
Yeah, those numbers seem negligible to the distortion the Traveler would’ve made. Distance wouldn’t be as big of a factor with that in mind.
This is kind of unrelated to the subject, but this entry is an example of a guardian stuck in a trap of what seems to be a gravity well:
For this Guardian, just a moment in time (perceived by him) is stretched to 50,000 years (perceived by us). What if the data that Evie collected was a macroscopic version of this, and in the event of IO, what if it was the subject to the gravity well created by the Traveler.
Oh I knew that it would have been distorded by the wells, I just wanted the numbers out there so y’all can refrence them if you want.
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If Jupiter is not fundament then it could be possible that the hive were born in a parallel universe/dimension.
There are so many possible dimensions in the destiny lore from throne worlds to vex space and even black holes.
The reason the fundament resembles Jupiter so much could be because it is Jupiter but in a parallel “dark mirror” to our universe.
If such a thing exists in destiny the hive and humans could be the dark mirrors of each other.
If you look at how the sisters found the worm, not really knowing what they were looking for.
And also how the 3 astronauts went to meet the traveler.
I will try and break down the yin and yang of it.
- Both races find their god on a planet not their own, the proto hive crash into fundament and humans plan a trip to mars to meet the traveler.
- the proto hive have three sisters that must flee from their own people, and the astronauts are supported by their people.
- the sisters dive down to meet the worm god, humans climb a mountain/hill to meet the traveler.
- worm gods are flesh, traveler is a machine.
- hive gain eternal life through a symbiotic relationship with their god, guardians also have a symbiotic relationship with a necromancer ghost from their god.
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Makes more sense then it just being Jupiter is fundament and maybe these throne worlds are housed in the dark dimension, the original home of the hive
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Why would the traveler be there then?
Because it got pulled into this dark dimension
We do know that there is a possibility of parallel dimensions/timelines because in the lore card No Rez for the Weary it says:
“Simply in a neighboring timeline. A place where he is still alive and intact. And wherever there is great danger, wherever the probability of death is too high, then those timelines become scarce and hard to reach. And so you find the zones where Guardians cannot easily be remade.”
This is an idea of how we might be rezzed, by being pulled from a neighboring timeline. If this is true, then there are alternate timelines that could be what you are talking about.
But the Ammonite civilization were considered warriors of the light. If what your saying is true, that means Guardians would be present in this dark dimension also, so it would not truly be a dark dimension, could be a parallel dimension. I do believe in the multiple dimension theory in Destiny, the Hive are our dark equivalents for sure, there are so many examples to compare, I just think that it is still plausible, but I’m not rejecting any reasonable explanations and your argument is definitely reasonable. Also, I’m still hung up on the fossils of IO. I kind of want to know yours (and anyone else’s) thoughts on that with this “dark dimension” theory in mind.
As for the rez for the weary card @LordSaladPan, these are neighboring timelines within our dimension. The guardian in this example exists in our dimension still, but does not exist in our version of time. Like his perception of time is on a different frequency than ours in real time and therefore his ghost cannot rez him. This is what I pulled from this card.
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I would more so say being copied and pasted into this one.
I very much apologise for the necro, I’m still going through to get up to date on current theories, but I just did some quick googling, and although I don’t support the theory that jupiter is fundament myself, this website references a study in which it was found that jupiter is the oldest planet. I do not know how credible the source is, but if that’s true, it would solve the question of why the hive didn’t kill us before they left.
Plus, in the last entry, it says the ammonites were peaceful.
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