In all my dives down in rabbit holes, I have noticed many recurring themes throughout the timeline. Over time certain events keep playing out over and over on different scales and can be seen from both sides of the coin.
These events I believe are built into our universe from its very inception.
The very point at which our universe became unbalanced, the cyclical nature of our universe would be the result of a grand event that left reverberations throughout the destiny timeline.
The battle between the deep and the sky created a rift in the timeline back when the atom won over the primordial as Toland puts it.
I believe the battle that Toland refers to was the start of the fundament.
What if the deep, and the primordial broth, and magic are all the same thing? Chaos!
On the other side of the coin we have the Sky, atom, and science. Order!
With this idea in mind what if the fundament is the end of that first war between science and magic.
But who lost that war?
We know the worm/s were deep in fundament in a cell built to hold a go[o]d.
But let’s look at it from the other side,
We know fundament was surrounded by moons but also highly advanced species mostly spacefaring and technologically advanced.
So if these combined advanced races of ancient times had succeeded in trapping the worms inside fundament in the first place why not just kill it if it was such a threat?
If the greatest minds from the advanced species all collaborated together in the end on what to do with the creature of magic they had captured, what would they do with it?
If the worm gods started out as ahamkara and were experimented on to extract their wish giving powers what would be the ramifications of such a thing in any good story.
If like gods in others stories, if you can never really kill a god you only just split them into parts of itself. What if the alpha ahamkara was a five headed dragon? What would you need to take from a magical creature to use it’s power? Like riven maybe the heart? Or maybe a head or two? What if like oryx they just cut the worm in half and neither died?
But I wanna go back for a bit, back to the beginning and back to Tolands three queens card.
I would like to invoke the idea of the Sky as it is now is still in alliance but they don’t know it anymore.
Ever finish a public event on earth an ghost remarks that “the Cabal lost everything and I mean everything”
I believe this is a tongue in cheek reference to the idea that they once ruled everything, they were the “Empire”
They had already become the last queen Toland refers to.
Some look at the cabal and just see the army presence, but what about their ancestors?
If the Cabal we know was just the military arm of the actual “cabal” of races, what would make up the other two queens from a sci-fi point of view.
For a queen that built a tower to the stars, I see the vex as this idea being brought to life in full, that constant expansion, the conversion of all matter to vex just like a galactic siva.
Now the third queen or the first listed in the card is the queen of law, the “just rule” the idea of making decisions for your followers, and always keeping their best interests at heart. This queen of law imo would be a AI or even a warmind, a program that guides the cabal networks in unison towards a common goal,
If the Emperor has no body of his own, could he be an ancient program invented and improved on over time with the help of the scions?
So if the Emperor AI at one time not only ruled the cabal army but also the vex and their abilities in construction, conversion and simulation.
Now with this trifecta of queens at the end of times before Oryx brought vengeance out of the fundament, the EMPIRE was at its peak of power, they had won against the god of chaos as they seen it and stolen its power to be used by themselves.
If the traveler was just a pawn to the empire, a galactic “life engine” which the Empire would use alongside the vex to create, advance, and study life to find a way to become immortal or to ascend to the next realm.
Like the krill were under study and were the hope of the Sky (in a place of death the study of life is the most important) the traveler and the vex also studied life, with the ability to create worlds and progress the evolution of a species and the wipe the slate clean and start again.
If the empire studied real life on the surface of fundament, and a simulation of life out in the universe. What would be the harm in that? No harm until the simulation gains awareness. In a galactic simulation at what point do you consider a subject aware?
The subject would need to realize it is in a simulation, at that point it would become self aware and life would of been created. IMO.
This idea could lead to the destruction of a simulation solar system, if a subject is allowed to escape the “test” area the simulation would achieve self awareness and be a true life form. But the kicker is if you kill the subject before it escapes the simulation, no harm no foul, all laws of ethics are followed.
Ok so we have the traveler and the vex building simulations and seeding simulated life across the universe, but we also have the other side of the study back where it all ended and started.
The study of life and evolution, here is where everything goes wrong.
With the control over magic in the hands of the Sky and the entire universe in order, what went wrong?
The Balance was off, to have harmony and balance, you must have chaos with order, the idea that anything can happen is a good and bad thing but it balances our lives. On a galactic scale this idea of anything can happen, the fire without fuel is seen in destiny as a wish granting dragon, the ahamkara.
Without the chaos of wishes or just the idea behind some magic in the universe the balance must be restored, life will find a way.
When the sisters get to space with all their new power they go on a killing spree, not just destroying species but all their history and worlds.
If the fundament was the cradle of life for the empire, it would make sense that it would be surrounded by the elite of the Empire.
The leadership of the empire was wiped out and all communication lost to the outer colonies, along with the ability to control the vex collective. Like Rasputin was, and the vex are, the emperor AI is a fractured part of its original program.
So at the unknowing sword of the hive the empire has been reduced to some lost vex still trying to build, some others that have become self aware with their own ideas in the absence of a prime collective mind.
Wow what a rant lol.
Ok so where was I, at this point the lore we know begins to take shape, the hive go on their crusade to eliminate all life following the traveler in the end to our simulated solar system. The travelers children are its last hope to stop the destruction of the entire universe.
Ok back to the start.
The idea of a great event leaving ripples in time, the idea that certain events will keep repeating until the balance is restored.
So let’s look at a couple repeating themes in the destiny storyline.
So in my opinion these themes seem to repeat in destiny.
The splitting of a entity.
The collapse of a civilization.
The search for greater knowledge and power.
These four ideas can be seen multiple times throughout the timeline in destiny.
Let me start by saying these four ideas that I believe reverberate through time all began with the theft of the “power of the gods” lol
If the story started with the splitting of the worm god, the imprisonment of a god, for the search of greater powers which in the end leads to the collapse of one side of the coin or the other.
A prison can be seen in the fundament, PoE, deep in the dreadnaught in the old strike, the trapping of the traveler by ghaul. in some prisons the one in the deep of it dies and in some, the one trapped breaks free or is set free.
The splitting of an entity can be seen in the fundament through the forced symbiosis with the worms, the splitting of the traveler into multiple ghosts, the division of Osiris in the infinite forest, among other’s.
The collapse of civilizations can be seen also starting on fundament with the krill and then onto the empire that surrounded fundament, also on earth with multiple events from the initial collapse and the red war and possibly again this year in destiny.
The search for knowledge and greater power is also a recurring theme, the initial creation of the traveler and the fundament, oryx and his search for the deep, ghaul and his need to be acknowledged by the traveler, guardians in their search for power and knowledge.
These all could be simple story concepts repeating out of a loss of ideas, or a greater overall plot worked into the very core of the game universe.
So where might this lead in the future? If the timeline is cyclical in nature a loop of events would be predictable at its core but would have many possible outcomes much like a vex simulation does, but a cyclical timeline is not a simulation but a loop of events.
To break the loop we must “fix the timeline” and let the universe balance itself.
How might this be done imo?
We would need to accept that the darkness is a natural part of our universe, the chaos that magic brings to the order of a structured scientific universe is what would allow a everlasting timeline, with the existence of a unending amount of possibilities through the existence of “wishes” in a universe, it could possibly live forever. scientists have a more terminal view of the universe.
So if we need to bring magic back to the universe, haven’t we as light wielding guardians done that?
I say we definitely bring chaos to the universe but it is still too structured to be true chaos. Is it our universe that we are bringing magic back to? If in the end our solar system is a simulation, then we need to escape with the magic to bring it forward or backward in the ascension of realms, to bring magic back into a world in its full glory.
If the rumours of guardians using the darkness in D3 are true, and the darkness is only the “idea” of being able to wield magic, why not.
To wrap up this rambling of chaos theory lol. I want to look to the future of destiny. If these last four seasons change the world as I hope it will, and our guardians get to transcend to a different reality, a new ever evolving world with unlimited possibilities and the switch to a more DnD style of story and adventure.
If you made it this far I congratulate you, if you can understand any part of this rant I commend you.