First off I want to thank all of you for your HUGE response to this topic. It’s pretty cool when we get to see the community come together like this to theorize. I’m changing the title of this post however. I’ll provide a TLDR and the original post content below. I’m doing this for a couple reasons, one being my original theory I now find uninformed and misleading. The second is that I want this post to become a reference point for others who have apparently stumbled across the same question. That being said, this is why Oryx is super dead.
I’m going to list the most common theories that have popped up on this thread and the reasons they’ve been debunked.
The Touch of Malice could revive Oryx
Originally I incorrectly assumed that ToM acted like a cage for Oryx’s essence thus opening the door for him to resurrected should we please his essence. While it does in fact house his essence it is only just that. A piece of his worm (one of the pieces required to craft the weapon) is not enough to revive him. So while its a nice physical analogy on the Sword Logic for him to leave behind, it is not an immortality device.
Oryx could be summoned like his sisters
This theory comes from a moment in the Books of Sorrow where Oryx slays his sisters to steal their power and then later revives them. It’s common spinfoil ammo to say that because the Books of Sorrow call them “true deaths” death means nothing at all and Oryx is free to be summoned from beyond the grave. This is also incorrect. While it does call them “true deaths” in the “sword world,” both terms commonly associated with permanent deaths in throne worlds, we find that on closer inspection Bungie obviously just got sloppy with their wording by saying “true deaths” and “Sword World”. We killed Oryx in HIS Throne World though. I know I sound like Im beating a dead horse but it took awhile to get this through my head. Oryx kills Savathun and Xivu-Arath in HIS own world. Giving them the opportunity to be revived. All the proof you should need is in the first line of the card below.
Once you nail down the Books of Sorrow controversy in your mind and do away with the possibility that he could survive a death in his own throne world the other theories crumble. If you have more questions the folks here at Ishtar have really done a good job of diving deep into this subject and pulling out all the possible proof that he’s dead. Hope you enjoyed. Study on, Guardian.
Original Post Content
Going back through the Books of Sorrow (as one does) I noticed something I hadn’t before. I had been told before reading the books of sorrow that Oryx had murdered his siblings within HIS (Edit: not his ascendant realm I misunderstood because it says “True Deaths”. Explanation below.) ascendant realm. Going back now I realize that he killed each of them in their own. We all know how this turns out though. Oryx goes on a war campaign and eventually sees fit to resurrect his lovely sisters. Now here’s the thing. The way he resurrected them was by completing whatever act best embodied that sister’s nature. I.e. trickery for Savathun. My issue begins in Destiny 1. We take Oryx’s essence, or at least a piece of it, and put it into a gun of all things. A gun that embodies Oryx’s essence. We already know the way you bring back a hive is by manifesting their essence. Now you can probably already see the points I’m about to make.
- By using this weapon we bring him closer to life
- Because death in the sword realm apparently means nothing now his sisters, once they gain understanding, could literally bring him back from the dead at any given point.
Please tell me if theres something I’m missing because to me it looks like the Hive are completely and totally immortal.