Very good points, I also believe we can’t “accidently” resurrect Oryx.
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Yes, especially because when Oryx resurrected his siblings he did it because he wanted them back. We however (unless there’s a mad and traitorous guardian) do not want him back.
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I’m just spit balling here but when we first kill oryx in our world, his sword willbreaker still remains. At the cut scene you see Eris grab the crystal from it. I believe this is his sword logic crystal that he used to help kill Akka and get his power to take. Eris constantly refers to her “Queen”. No that we see more of savathuns presence in D2. Do you all think that Eris’s “Queen” is Savathun? I think that Oryx is actual dead for now but if Savathun learns to use the power of the deep from the tablets of ruin (do we know if those ave turned up anywhere or maybe Eris grabbed them too) she can bring back her big brother as he did with her and her sister? no one could access the deep except for oryx because he had the tablets, but if someone else was to get them and learn how to have the power to take then he could come back as he did to his sisters by completing acts that represent him. Just the rambling of a mad hunter here.
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Eris is probably referring to Mara Sov, the Queen of the Reef. Eris is documented as having worked with the Queen back in HOW:
"You don’t have one."
The Hunter came to a halt in front of the throne, raised her covered face to meet the Prince’s gaze.
“No,” she agreed. “My next death will be my last.”
There’s no real evidence of Eris conspiring with Savathûn, especially since the reason she leaves the Tower in AOT is to find knowledge that will “truly to put an end to [the Hive’s] hate.”
Given that there are members of the Red Legion that have been Taken, someone (probably Savathûn) has the power to Take. However, the location of the Tablets themselves hasn’t been mentioned in D2. As far as we know, they’re still on the Dreadnaught, in Golgoroth’s cellar.
Oryx died in his throne world, which means that he died a “real” death and is unable to be resurrected. From XVII:
From this day forward, Auryx, you and your sisters will each survive death — so long as you aren’t killed in your own throne.
This is why Savathûn and Xivu Arath were able to be summoned during Oryx’s war with the Ecumene- they were not killed in their thrones. Having access to the Deep wasn’t what brought the sisters back, it’s that Oryx killed them in his throne and not their own.
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Out of curiosity how do you know that the red legion were taken? All the cabal taken look and act in the same manner as the rest. And if the red legion have been taken couldn’t it have happened in some conflict long or shortly before oryx and his dreadnought came to Sol?
The final boss of the Lake of Shadows strike is Grask, the Consumed, a taken Red Legion phalanx.
There’s no evidence of the Red Legion coming into contact with Oryx. The Legion was sent to Earth following TTK, when the Skyburners sent out a distress signal to the Cabal empire. By the time they arrived, Oryx was long dead. If the Cabal’d had any contact with the Taken beforehand, then they would have been much better prepared for the campaign against Oryx, and the events at Phobos would have likely never occurred.
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Hi, new to IC but wanted to share a pic of the campaign, that in my eyes proves Oryx is still around.
MyNameisByf, discounted it by saying “Dude it was only there for a few seconds…”
I can’t believe how you can just ignore such a massive clue. I mean its not that this wasn’t placed there on purpose by bungie, no. It’s just a random oryx shaped body before Ghauls respawns as a figure of light and says “Yes, you see me”
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It certainly has wings, but that could also be a callback to Sunsinger. Ghaul is moments before respawning, correct?
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A little late to the party but, that is Ghaul using Radiance. There is no reference that says when guardians use Radiance it always appears the same. Not to mention the manner in which Ghaul obtained the Light was dramatically different having seemingly infused it into himself rather than it be gifted to him. When Ghaul says, '“Yes, you see me”, it’s most likely him seeing the Traveler awaken and he takes that to mean that he was gained its favor.
I don’t think this in any way indicates that Oryx is alive. The appearance of the wings is of no consequence. Ghaul was attempting to revive himself with the stolen Light upon his defeat and in his new form thought he had earned the Travelers favor.
All that and on top of it, there is no way that Oryx was inside of Ghaul as Oryx was killed years before the events of the Red War and as stated before, there is no mention to the Red Legion encountering Oryx or the Hive.
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All good theories. Personally I think its slightly metaphorical of the relation between the light and dark and how theyre simply two sides of the same coin.
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this theory has nothing to do with Oryx meeting the Red Legion. Besides the Grimoire cards suggest that the Kabal had faced Oryx before. Anyways, this is about Oryx coming to light because of our fault. we used the Ravenous heart in the Touch of Malice thus enabeling Oryx to live through our actions eventuelly coming to be reborn, maybe through an ambitious light stealer that we also killed. anyway, I don’t need to persuade anyone, it’s what I believe will turn out later on in the story as Oryx mastering not only the deep but the sky as well.
"Oryx died in his throne world, which means that he died a “real” death and is unable to be resurrected. From XVII:
From this day forward, Auryx, you and your sisters will each survive death — so long as you aren’t killed in your own throne.
This is why Savathûn and Xivu Arath were able to be summoned during Oryx’s war with the Ecumene- they were not killed in their thrones. Having access to the Deep wasn’t what brought the sisters back, it’s that Oryx killed them in his throne and not their own."
You know what I find interesting about this? Savathun has been killed multiple times. As has Oryx when he was Auryx. All outside of their respective throne worlds and were able to be revived without outside help. But when Oryx kills them in HIS throne world it says,
“And strangle me,” says Savathûn, holding a blade behind her back. “Use that killing logic, the cunning you prove by killing something as smart as me.”
But King Auryx turned with the speed and might of Xivu Arath, and beheaded Savathûn before she could move. King Auryx was the First Navigator, with the map of death.
These were true deaths, for they happened in the sword world."
Card XXVI
Why call them true deaths? Or is the sword world simply different from the that of the thrones? Idk it feels like an oversight.
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While thats a theory thats technically possible I sincerely doubt, no, I know they wont create an entire plotline from one weapon’s description. Unfortunately bungo isnt that attentive. Hence why we have have to catalog their lore for them.
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But again that isn’t possible. That would mean that Ghaul came into possession of ToM which is highly unlikely and I doubt he even knew of its creation. Oryx is not TECHNICALLY dead since his essence is alive in the weapon but his soul was slain in his throne world therefore there’s no way for guardians to revive him or for him to revive himself. Their soul would need to be alive someplace for a resurrection to be possible. Every instance of a Hive resurrection is possible because their soul was hidden away.
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I dont really think it matters if it’s possible. It’s not going to happen. This is bungo we’re talking about. that’s too complex of a story to tell.
That’s actually not a complex story to tell. Guardians killing the big bad only for the big bad to find some ridiculous way to revive himself and be the big bad again is a pretty common trope and incredibly simple. The point of the BoS is not only for the backstory of the Hive but to also show that Oryx and Crota aren’t the only beings out there capable of slaying the Light. Oryx had sisters and that is foreshadowing something more complex. At the end of the BoS Savathun even says that they must separate so that they can grow different implying that the defeat of Oryx is in no way a defeat for the Hive. It being possible is one of the most important aspects of writing a story and creating a consistent plot.
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I mean, I’m simply stating my counter point to the theory that Oryx lives or is using Light. If that is arguing or splitting hairs to you then so be it. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with hearing different opinions and perspectives. But whatever dude, I digress.
Where? Phobos, as far as we know, is the first instance of Cabal coming into contact with the Taken power. Pre-TTK, the Dreadnaught was simply being referred to as a “threat”:
There’s a notification from three days ago. A “Primus Ta’aun” suspended all Phobos mining operations and recon pending investigation of a trans-Jovian threat.
Besides, why would the Skyburners suffer such a disastrous defeat if they had faced Oryx before? If they had experience fighting Taken, it’s unlikely that the situation at Phobos would get bad enough that the Cabal were forced to send out their first known distress signal.
Why would Oryx ‘come to the Light’? The Hive are creatures of the Deep, and are by proxy enemies of the Sky. His mission for centuries, along with his sisters’, is the consuming of the Sky and the Traveler. Why would his worm allow him to ‘turn’ to the Light; furthermore, how would he achieve it? The Traveler would not gift him with the Light. Besides, the whole ‘moral’ of Destiny 2 is that the Light cannot be taken like the power of the Deep is. The Deep and the Sky are opposites, and that includes in how power is transferred.
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