What Should We Qualify As A Weapon Of Sorrow

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#29

Eh, i agree but the weapons don’t really scream hive either they seem more like oryx took the bones and muscles of guardians and put them on weapons

#30

I don’t think they are “Guardian” bones per se. When you look at them, they have the Chitin look/design similar to, say, Necrochasm or Thorn. (The Former, more than the latter.)
The best I’d say, they kinda remind me of the Tyranids from the WH40k franchise in the idea of “Flesh and Bone”.

#31

I agree just not hive design

#32

Hmm, probably a matter of opinion I suppose. Well, this was one fun topic wasn’t it?
I’d say in total, we should qualify Weapons of Sorrow as we know them to originally be.
Guardian Weapons modified by the Hive!

#33

Malfeasance was never a Weapon of Sorrow in the first place. It was made to resemble Thorn, but without the corruption that came as a side effect. Malfeasance is considered to be a counterfeit, and has never been touched by Hive corruption. All of the “Armaments of Woe”, as OP calls them, are on their way to becoming Weapons of Sorrow, they just aren’t there yet. Malfeasance hasn’t even begun down that path.

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#34

Welcome to the community! And I would have to agree with you, Malfeasance does not appear to be a Weapon of Sorrow, just a really powerful weapon made with questionable methods.

#35

Where does it say that Malfeasance is considered a counterfeit? There isn’t any mention of Malfeasance being a Weapon of Sorrow, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that it isn’t one. We don’t have a clear definition of what exactly constitutes a Weapon of Sorrow, so we can’t rule out that it is one. All we can say currently is that it may or may not be a Weapon of Sorrow.

#36

Then with this in mind. What should we classify as a Weapon of Sorrow?

#37

Just say that any weapon that BUngie says is a weapon of sorrow is one.

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#38

What @XxDredgenXAKAIxX said. We know that Thorn and Necrochasm have both been described as Weapons of Sorrow. Other weapons such as Malfeasance may or may not be a Weapon of Sorrow unless otherwise confirmed in the future.

It seems like hive magic or rituals are involved in creating a Weapon of Sorrow, although it’s not clear if that’s necessary or if a weapon corrupted by other means could also count as a Weapon of Sorrow. Both Thorn and Necrochasm were created from weapons that originally belonged to guardians, but again it’s not clear if a Weapon of Sorrow has to be made from a guardian’s weapon or if a weapon made from scratch by, say, the Hive would also count as one.

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#39

With this in mind, what would a weapon torn straight from the Hive be considered? Say you pull a Hive Shredder from an acolyte or something and decide to keep it. Would this be considered a Weapon of Sorrow?

Another point I just thought of is this: What if what constitutes a Weapon of Sorrow, is that it was originally a Guardian’s weapon that was corrupted by Hive magic/rituals and/or Taken magic that has slain Guardians or feasted on Light? I am not sure what the Necrochasm has done in terms of killing, but you do implement the Crux of Crota, which Crota has killed MANY Lightbearers which means he has feasted on their Light. Which could be why.

The Hive-ified and Taken-ified weapons from the raids are weapons that we had on us when doing it that we just modded with Hive and Taken bone and such. Which means they have not killed any Lightbearers/Guardians and thus have not feasted upon the Light. This would mean that the Touch of Malice is a Weapon of Sorrow if we go by this policy according to the Necrochasm’s use of the Crux of Crota, because we have Oryx’s Crux/Soul/whatever it is.

Personally I think this may be the key, I say corrupted because if it was just flat out “has permakilled Lightbearers” then things like the Red Death and Crimson would apply which are obviously not Weapons of Sorrow (but if Bungie says they are then… well that’s weird). What do y’all think?

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#40

I am going to list the down the (supposed) rules of making a Weapon of Sorrow.

  1. Hive finds a human made gun or guardian gun.
  2. Hive does a type of ritual (or maybe not) and grafts hive bone or flesh onto weapon.
  3. The weapon must near completely lose what it once was (It can still be a weapon archetype tho) and must exert some type of Hive Magic.It must lose its previous look.
  4. Now bake the hive weapon… (just a joke)
    Anyway that is what I think the guidelines should be for a Weapon of Sorrow.
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#41

I believe we should add “Has feasted on (consumed, destroyed, whatever) the Light of a Guardian or Guardians.” Because I am pretty sure all of the confirmed Weapons of Sorrow have feasted on the Light in one way or another.

#42

Just wanted to alert everyone that ToM is now officially a Weapon of Sorrow with the new release of Season of Opulence

#43

How is this? If you’re talking about Touch of Malice, we didn’t see anything about it in Season of Opulence that I know of.

#44

Also do you think that Tarrabah is a weapon of sorrow? Its Hive themed, and i’m pretty sure its just a regular gun before it has Hive-ified

#45

Here is my reference, “Shadows Vest” the lore tab explains it in the first sentence.

#46

Considering that that entry doesn’t mention the phrase “Weapon of Sorrow” or “Weapons of Sorrow”, I wouldn’t say that ToM has been officially confirmed as a Weapon of Sorrow. We don’t know what exactly the criteria is for a weapon to be a Weapon of Sorrow, so we don’t know if weapons that “deliver payloads full of Hive words” describes Weapons of Sorrow specifically or hive-related weapons in general. Considering that this description refers to “so many weapons in the arsenal of Light”, I’d lean towards the latter, unless there’s a whole bunch of different Weapons of Sorrow which we don’t know about.

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#47

I disagree. The Thorn was made by a guardian grafting Hive bone/chitin onto his Rose. I agree Malf is not a WoS but not for the same reason you do.

#48

I think we can define WoS from it’s origin and Light comparability (aka how it changes wielders). So under these criteria only true Thorn(not the fake we and Shadows use) appeared from the corruption of the Guardian and Necrochasm(created by Hive to be a humanity weapon representation of Logic and also uses owner’s negative emotions). ToM is just an Oryx(emoboy) heart and his desire to see our path. WoW is just an edgy worm trying to hide where nobody will search. Malfeasance is a bait to the way of Darkness. Other guns are just “oh my God lets make another gun from this pile of bug shit”

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